Joseba Egibar (Andoain, 1959) reclama una vez más a ETA que abandone la estrategia armad a para dejar caminar en la vía política a quien quiera asumir el proyecto de la izquierda abertzale. Considera que «ETA está fuera de la realidad». - ¿Qué valoración hace de los dos últimos atentados de ETA?
- ETA intenta hacer una nueva demostración de su fuerza mortífera. Pero, además de generar dolor, lo único que consigue es desacreditarse aún más si cabe. Quien no respeta el derecho a la vida pierde toda la credibilidad para reivindicar cualquier otro derecho.
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- Esta ETA is the perspective. There are two readings on the process of reflection which states are doing, and is culminating in the decision, and that as usual, shows his credentials to better position themselves ahead of a negotiating process. In fact, nobody has, or at least we do not have the data to say neither one nor the other. It is no doubt that ETA is unrealistic. We have entered a picture in this country who do not want. What we want is to leave the armed strategy and who let them walk the political and democratic means can or will fly the leftwing nationalist project.
- For the fiftieth anniversary ...
- The final decision of ETA, but definitely stop requires a lot of strength and maturity, something that just does not walk more than enough. ETA is a prisoner of his own strategy of wanting to maintain the armed struggle and that no one with sufficient authority and force by the decision to stop. That could produce a better way if the social, political and trade union ETA clearly required it to stop. This is nonsense. No one understands him, nor his own people. Has caused much unnecessary suffering on its own people.
- Can positive thinking?
- I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic because we have made so many predictions that the end we can complete confuse our desires with reality. Our logic is the logic of them. In Ireland the policy of Sinn Fein ordered the IRA. Here, at least until Anoeta famous speech in 2004, has always been political and military, in order ETA, who determines what may be its environment. Seemed about to change, that ETA was to be devoted to technical issues, and that the policy, then Batasuna, definitely going to enter political and democratic way. It has not been well enough or no position regarding the violence of ETA.
- What reading might be ahead of the 2011 elections?
- That nationalist Left has enough position against violence, or disappearing ETA.
- How to order the puzzle that has drawn?
- We support a negotiated end and orderly because this phenomenon if not tidily just can sprout. The vast majority of society is not worth our words because we believe that certain leaders are not enough. If you speak another way, ETA would stop. But this is to start thinking in that we do not control. I have no doubt that people here have told him to stop. The final decision rests with ETA and nobody else.
- ETA wrote in his reflection that will make PNV unbearable future.
- Fifty years of doing it. ETA emerged to replace the PNV for this reason their life horizon has been to combat and replacing the PNV.
- not surprised then.
- No. ETA has killed people in the PNV and knows that it will not alter our position. Politically it has been defeated not by the PNV but Basque society. It's time to take stock of the suffering it has caused in their own world and wonder if these people need so much suffering in order to raise political, democratic and legitimate demands peacefully.
- By your words I understand that the PNV, as its chairman said last week, still have aspirations to decide.
- The PNV is not going to resign, but we know that while the State did not feel a democratic force and politically expressed most will not feel the need to sit at the table. We need peace so that we can address the possible political solution. It may delay but the political problem is not solved and needs to be addressed. There is a social and political majority committed to the recognition of people and their right to decide. A majority, indeed, that number is not represented in the Basque Parliament whether they have judgments involved.
- Sabra the PSE and PP have been asked to return to hear their claims to give shelved the stage "rupture" of Ibarretxe.
- But not from now. The PSOE and the PP will turn the alarm in 2004 when most of the Basque Parliament approved the political status. This is, in part, the origin of the bet made by two parties to seize power in Ajuria Enea. Until we have achieved have not stopped. Both parties intend to pull over the concept of the Basque people because they know that their existence as a people have a condition inherent right to self-determination or the right to decide. The other concept is the legitimization of violence. PSOE and PP are using it to delegitimize nationalism that is perceived as wrong. Is that part that says that the Basque people exists, nor has the right to decide.
- The case is that the PNV is over going to the opposition. Have you been made to the idea?
- will not surprise anyone if I say that being in the government and the opposition is different. Being in opposition is a circumstantial event. What you need to know is what has led us to the opposition or what arguments have been the Socialist Party and the Popular Party to access the Basque Government.
- Explain.
- The PSOE and the PP not only do not support the proposals to Parliament have been encountered in recent years but set a strategy for defending the right to decide of the Basque people say no. And not only deny but seek cut in home again the possibility that there may be approaches that cut. State is one reason that leads them to the PSOE and the PP to join in Euskadi when you can not even see.
- How do you assess the first months of Lee Executive?
- I have the conviction that the PSOE came to power and believes it has met the target. We at the first session we asked the program control of government and our surprise was when we sent the electoral program. Even governments monocolor NIP has always been a government program which does not happen now. Patxi Lopez did not know what to put because the PP will mark boundaries in education, Euskera, EITB, anti-terrorist pact in a more concrete and de-legitimization of violence. And yet, in budgetary terms agreed between not much and in terms of combating the crisis either.
- I guess there comes the offer of an institutional and budget made by the PNV.
- Taking into account the period of crisis and declining revenue would insist that you go through with playing and making policy, discriminating, proposing and refining apart. We understand that the contribution of political parties must be greater than under normal.
- From the PSE were blamed for that 80% of what we propose applies Lopez and the Executive.
- There has been innovation. It has not been difficult because many of them come from the previous government. What he has done is to adjust some items. It is thus understood that the PSE is not difficult to reach agreements with us.
- "He extends his hand then?
- is that the beans are counted. We'll all put to the test. We must distinguish between what is urgent and what affects the public. There is no disputing the lead. The leadership you have or do not. Our willingness is sincere, straightforward and full of compromises. Be in opposition is not to say no to everything, it also means making proposals. We already transmitted to Patxi López, produced after the inauguration, there would be cooperation.
- I'm sure if discrepancies come to agreements about who will hang the medal.
- It's not about medals. People perceive things. Agreements are possible and we will thank the citizens. PNV is available, but has not been understood well by the PSE. We'll see if in September, meetings of political or institutional form, the proposals go rushing.
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